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> <channel><title>Comments on: FT: PP has not moved on from Francoism</title> <atom:link href="http://www.thebadrash.com/2008/03/04/ft-pp-has-not-moved-on-from-francoism/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.thebadrash.com/2008/03/04/ft-pp-has-not-moved-on-from-francoism/</link> <description>A blog from Barcelona, Catalonia, covering politics, culture, society and more</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:18:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Graeme</title><link>http://www.thebadrash.com/2008/03/04/ft-pp-has-not-moved-on-from-francoism/#comment-2929</link> <dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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Remind me again who the honorary president of the PP is?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;There are no leaders in the PP connected to Franco years.&#034;</p><p>Remind me again who the honorary president of the PP is?</p><p>Rate this comment: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebadrash.com/2008/03/04/ft-pp-has-not-moved-on-from-francoism/#comment-2876</guid> <description>@Chindastulfo - thanks for your comment, which was written in pretty much perfect English. No apology necessary.
I think the point of the article is that the majority of the leadership of the PP seem uninterested in completing a transition to the centre. And yes, there are leaders of the PP who have a direct connection to the dictatorship. What about Aznar, who clearly has a strong hold on the party still?
Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s significant that Rajoy referred to the term España &#039;una, grande y libre&#039; in his closing speech at the 2nd debate? Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s significant that the PP leaderhsip has close ties to El Mundo, La COPE and Libertad Digital, as well as controlling TeleMadrid, all of which often promote what in other European countries would be considered far-right propaganda?
There is no doubt whatsoever that many PP voters would prefer to vote for a more centrist party. A lot of them like to believe that the PP is already that party but I&#039;m afraid they&#039;re mistaken.
As to being accused of being &#039;fascist&#039; or &#039;murderer&#039;, well if you&#039;re not one, that is of course horrible and wrong. But this is a country where insults are thrown about pretty freely... albeit not by you or me. Left-wingers are insulted too, as are Catalans (in my personal experience).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chindastulfo &#8211; thanks for your comment, which was written in pretty much perfect English. No apology necessary.</p><p>I think the point of the article is that the majority of the leadership of the PP seem uninterested in completing a transition to the centre. And yes, there are leaders of the PP who have a direct connection to the dictatorship. What about Aznar, who clearly has a strong hold on the party still?</p><p>Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s significant that Rajoy referred to the term España &#039;una, grande y libre&#039; in his closing speech at the 2nd debate? Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s significant that the PP leaderhsip has close ties to El Mundo, La COPE and Libertad Digital, as well as controlling TeleMadrid, all of which often promote what in other European countries would be considered far-right propaganda?</p><p>There is no doubt whatsoever that many PP voters would prefer to vote for a more centrist party. A lot of them like to believe that the PP is already that party but I&#039;m afraid they&#039;re mistaken.</p><p>As to being accused of being &#039;fascist&#039; or &#039;murderer&#039;, well if you&#039;re not one, that is of course horrible and wrong. But this is a country where insults are thrown about pretty freely&#8230; albeit not by you or me. Left-wingers are insulted too, as are Catalans (in my personal experience).</p><p>Rate this comment: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebadrash.com/2008/03/04/ft-pp-has-not-moved-on-from-francoism/#comment-2874</guid> <description>I read FT article on &quot;Spanish choice&quot;. Well, Jose Blanco (member of PSOE staff) would have signed it without any doubt.
In Spain &quot;Francoism&quot; is very well represented among socialists. There are no leaders in the PP connected to Franco years. Can anyone say the same about the ZP boys?. The big families of &quot;Francoism&quot; let us a lot of so-called socialists who &quot;suffered&quot; Franco from France, UK or Germany (poor chaps!), they had the money to do so (not my case, obviously). I can remember too some teachers at school who gave us lessons on Franco and José Antonio, and now are very convinced socialists (the danger of a new converse).
Today,  in some places you can&#039;t take the risk of expressing yourself freely indeed, you will be declared a &quot;fascist&quot;. No right to give an opinion. I&#039;ve never called a socialist &quot;fascist&quot; or &quot;assassin&quot; but I&#039;ve been told such nice words as a non PSOE-voter. By the way, most of my friends are voting PSOE and no problem to me (we are still almost free to talk in Spain).
Finally, when you say that PP &quot;remains deeply conservative&quot; I guess you mean that Rajoy (10 millions voters) should make a programme according to ZP?. Well I suppose we have ten millions of fascists in Spain and I haven&#039;t noticed yet.
Please note that I have given &quot;my&quot; opinion in these site (thanks FT!). Doing so in most spanish newspapers or public forums leads to a lot of responses containing no opinions but serious insults.
&quot;The Truth shall make ye fret&quot; (I am a fan of Terry pratchet books, sorry)
PS: Apologies for my poor english.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read FT article on &#034;Spanish choice&#034;. Well, Jose Blanco (member of PSOE staff) would have signed it without any doubt.</p><p>In Spain &#034;Francoism&#034; is very well represented among socialists. There are no leaders in the PP connected to Franco years. Can anyone say the same about the ZP boys?. The big families of &#034;Francoism&#034; let us a lot of so-called socialists who &#034;suffered&#034; Franco from France, UK or Germany (poor chaps!), they had the money to do so (not my case, obviously). I can remember too some teachers at school who gave us lessons on Franco and José Antonio, and now are very convinced socialists (the danger of a new converse).</p><p>Today,  in some places you can&#039;t take the risk of expressing yourself freely indeed, you will be declared a &#034;fascist&#034;. No right to give an opinion. I&#039;ve never called a socialist &#034;fascist&#034; or &#034;assassin&#034; but I&#039;ve been told such nice words as a non PSOE-voter. By the way, most of my friends are voting PSOE and no problem to me (we are still almost free to talk in Spain).</p><p>Finally, when you say that PP &#034;remains deeply conservative&#034; I guess you mean that Rajoy (10 millions voters) should make a programme according to ZP?. Well I suppose we have ten millions of fascists in Spain and I haven&#039;t noticed yet.</p><p>Please note that I have given &#034;my&#034; opinion in these site (thanks FT!). Doing so in most spanish newspapers or public forums leads to a lot of responses containing no opinions but serious insults.</p><p>&#034;The Truth shall make ye fret&#034; (I am a fan of Terry pratchet books, sorry)</p><p>PS: Apologies for my poor english.</p><p>Rate this comment: <img
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