Comments on: Arenys de Munt independence 'consultation' banned http://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/ A blog from Barcelona, Catalonia, covering politics, culture, society and more Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:18:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ítacahttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70626 Ítaca Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:07:31 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70626 I find it hard to understand how any so-called democratic government can continue to effectively surpress the people of Catalunya. Everyone has the right to express their opinions and, indeed, everyone should have the right to a government that respects their beliefs and culture. The Catalans were once a free and proud nation in their own right, and anyone who knows the people of this region should be able to understand their desire to return to this. They are not Spanish, and no matter what the government may say or do, they cannot change that fact. They have their own language and culture, which is unique, surely this defines them as a separate nation. I suspect the truth is that the region of Catalunya is one of the most prosperous in the country and the government is afraid to loose the income generated by these hard working people. I hope the referendum leads to further publicity for their cause, and that it can be repeated throughout the region. Keep up the momentum - the only way to win is to keep on pushing. 'Si tu l'estires fort per aqui, i jo l'estiro fort per allà..........'. Visca Cataluinya! I find it hard to understand how any so-called democratic government can continue to effectively surpress the people of Catalunya. Everyone has the right to express their opinions and, indeed, everyone should have the right to a government that respects their beliefs and culture.
The Catalans were once a free and proud nation in their own right, and anyone who knows the people of this region should be able to understand their desire to return to this.
They are not Spanish, and no matter what the government may say or do, they cannot change that fact. They have their own language and culture, which is unique, surely this defines them as a separate nation.
I suspect the truth is that the region of Catalunya is one of the most prosperous in the country and the government is afraid to loose the income generated by these hard working people.
I hope the referendum leads to further publicity for their cause, and that it can be repeated throughout the region.
Keep up the momentum – the only way to win is to keep on pushing.
'Si tu l'estires fort per aqui, i jo l'estiro fort per allà……….'.
Visca Cataluinya!

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]]> By: Miquel d'Amsterdamhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70406 Miquel d'Amsterdam Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:14:06 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70406 This is not true. The Spanish court did not ban the referendum. They only blocked the Council to participate and allow it to happen in the Council. The meyer of the village has found another place to hold the referendum and will participate on his free time as citizen, not as meyer. The Spanish government does not have the power to prohibit a private survey on independence. The referendum will go on. And Spain will see soon how hundreds of Catalan villages follow al together with a huge private referendum for independence. This is not true.
The Spanish court did not ban the referendum.
They only blocked the Council to participate and allow it to happen in the Council.
The meyer of the village has found another place to hold the referendum and will participate on his free time as citizen, not as meyer.
The Spanish government does not have the power to prohibit a private survey on independence.
The referendum will go on.
And Spain will see soon how hundreds of Catalan villages follow al together with a huge private referendum for independence.

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]]> By: Ciutadà catalàhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70405 Ciutadà català Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:13:54 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70405 Visca Catalunya Lliure ! CATALONIA THE NEXT STATE IN EUROPE //*// Visca Catalunya Lliure !

CATALONIA THE NEXT STATE IN EUROPE //*//

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]]> By: Neilhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70390 Neil Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:47:52 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70390 Surely the organisers are sitting back with a smug smile of victory on their faces. They've got the result they wanted: exposure, more evidence of suppression from the motherland, upsetting ye olde falange and other Spanish "nationalists", more proof that Spain is undemocratic etc. Calling it a referendum was a stroke of genius. In reality, it's a poll and one which could easily have been carried out at the Saturday morning market in Arenys if assessing public opinion was the primary objective. But a poll just wouldn't have had the desired outcome. A referendum on the other hand... Job done, goal scored. Result of the pre-season "friendly": Catalan Nationalists 1 Spanish Government & Nationalists 0 Surely the organisers are sitting back with a smug smile of victory on their faces. They've got the result they wanted: exposure, more evidence of suppression from the motherland, upsetting ye olde falange and other Spanish "nationalists", more proof that Spain is undemocratic etc. Calling it a referendum was a stroke of genius. In reality, it's a poll and one which could easily have been carried out at the Saturday morning market in Arenys if assessing public opinion was the primary objective. But a poll just wouldn't have had the desired outcome. A referendum on the other hand… Job done, goal scored. Result of the pre-season "friendly":

Catalan Nationalists 1 Spanish Government & Nationalists 0

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]]> By: "el Primo"http://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70362 "el Primo" Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:48:45 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70362 Hi. As Empar Moliner put it, it's one thing when your father doesn't let you go to the pictures, and it's quite another thing when he doesn't even let you say that you want to go the pictures. This is seems to me like downright fascism. Hi. As Empar Moliner put it, it's one thing when your father doesn't let you go to the pictures, and it's quite another thing when he doesn't even let you say that you want to go the pictures. This is seems to me like downright fascism.

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]]> By: Tomhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70349 Tom Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:35:59 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70349 @YuriBCN - yes, it does seem that the consultation will go ahead. I shouldn't have trusted a newspaper! By the way, I do think that 'referendum' is an acceptable term to use, together with 'consultation' - after all, this 'consultation' takes the form of an unofficial, non-binding 'referendum'. Plus, it's annoying to use 'consultation' all the way through a blog post. @YuriBCN – yes, it does seem that the consultation will go ahead. I shouldn't have trusted a newspaper!

By the way, I do think that 'referendum' is an acceptable term to use, together with 'consultation' – after all, this 'consultation' takes the form of an unofficial, non-binding 'referendum'.

Plus, it's annoying to use 'consultation' all the way through a blog post.

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]]> By: YuriBCNhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70348 YuriBCN Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:17:47 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70348 BTW, for Toni, UDI stands for Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Since the 'parent' state is usually in disagreement with declarations of independence, most are in fact 'unilateral'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_independence BTW, for Toni,
UDI stands for Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Since the 'parent' state is usually in disagreement with declarations of independence, most are in fact 'unilateral'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_independence

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]]> By: YuriBCNhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70347 YuriBCN Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:14:07 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70347 The consultation (not referendum) has been temporarily suspended, not banned. The judge has called the state and Arenys town hall's counsels to court on Monday to take statements from them and decide how to proceed. It is in fact the town hall's minor participation in the organisation that is being questioned by the judge, as the poll is being organised by a private association. The consultation is thus likely to go ahead. The consultation (not referendum) has been temporarily suspended, not banned. The judge has called the state and Arenys town hall's counsels to court on Monday to take statements from them and decide how to proceed.
It is in fact the town hall's minor participation in the organisation that is being questioned by the judge, as the poll is being organised by a private association. The consultation is thus likely to go ahead.

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]]> By: Tonihttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70306 Toni Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:33:14 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70306 I'm lost! Who or what is UDI?? and also, what does Trevor mean by PUBLIC USE OF SPANISH? I never noticed this wasnt the case! If you dont like Catalan there are plenty of countries in the world where Spanish is spoken...sad all of them are in Latin America or west of the River Ebro... What we need is a referendum to have Catalan as the only OFFICIAL language in Catalonia,,, the you can use Spanish as much as you want...but making things clear first! I'm lost! Who or what is UDI?? and also, what does Trevor mean by PUBLIC USE OF SPANISH? I never noticed this wasnt the case! If you dont like Catalan there are plenty of countries in the world where Spanish is spoken…sad all of them are in Latin America or west of the River Ebro…

What we need is a referendum to have Catalan as the only OFFICIAL language in Catalonia,,, the you can use Spanish as much as you want…but making things clear first!

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]]> By: Tomhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70302 Tom Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:32:48 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70302 Organise it, Trev, and I'll support your right to hold a referendum doomed to provoke acute narcolepsy wherever it's flyposted. Organise it, Trev, and I'll support your right to hold a referendum doomed to provoke acute narcolepsy wherever it's flyposted.

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]]> By: trevorhttp://www.thebadrash.com/2009/09/04/arenys-de-munt-independence-consultation-banned/#comment-70301 trevor Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:21:09 +0000 http://www.thebadrash.com/?p=1402#comment-70301 Isn't it time for Barcelona council to support a referendum backing the public use of Spanish, and threatening UDI from Cataloonia if it is not granted? Isn't it time for Barcelona council to support a referendum backing the public use of Spanish, and threatening UDI from Cataloonia if it is not granted?

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